Poker Ghosting Scandal
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Daniel Cates was accused by Dan Bilzerian last night of being the main pro involved in the Bill Perkins ghosting scandal - Jungleman in turn claiming that Dan Bilzerians assertion is misleading.
It’s often said there’s no smoke without fire and it seems Bill Perkins was onto something when he tweeted about a high-stakes poker scandal.
*The action was paused in the Daniel Negreanu vs. Doug Polk ‘Grudge Match’ under bizarre circumstances over the past 24 hours as Bill Perkins, who has a bet in place on the match’s outcome.
*A public outing by none other than Dan Bilzerian named Dan ‘Jungleman’ Cates as the pro who was ‘ghosting’ on a recreational player’s account. That plus all of the latest results from the biggest online poker series taking place including the Super High Roller Bowl Online Series, the PokerStars 2020 Spring Championship of Online.
*Cheating scandal in poker going on that would make the Mike Postle scandal look like a church service. Really hard to wrap my head around. I’m very disappointed in many people.
*Some are saying that a cheating scandal involving poker pro “Jungleman” Daniel Cates will make the Mike Postle cheating scandal ’look like a. Rampant with professionals who were ghosting.
Daniel Cates has responded to allegations that he cheated in an online poker game. (Image: Wikipedia/888poker Spain)
Perkins himself refused to name names until he’d finished his investigation but Dan Bilzerian wasn’t as restrained. With the community eager to know what had happened and who was involved, Bilzerian called out Daniel Cates.
Jungleman quickly hit back with a tweet and has since followed up with his version of events. Posted in a Google doc, the open letter is part admission, part apology, and part revelation about certain aspects of online poker.Undercover Actions Land Cates in Hot Water
The response was posted on May 27 and addresses the allegation that he cheated by using someone else’s account. At the heart of the matter is an account owned by “Sina Taleb.”
Although Perkins didn’t name Cates or Taleb in his original tweets, Bilzerian did. This forced Cates to defend his name.
“To be clear, I started playing with Sina (his last name is not Taleb, for the record) on May 8 and ultimately played very few sessions, none of which were against Dan Bilzerian as claimed,” Cates wrote.
With that point made, the American went on to explain how ghosting was “rampant” on the site. According to Cates, it was widely understood that pros were using other people’s account and that resulted in a “uniquely” high level of play.
“I thought, since many on the site were using pros to play for them at the time, it felt acceptable for me to be playing,” Cates continued.
That may be a revelation to the poker world at large, but the practice of ghosting isn’t new. Although it’s rarely made public, there have been times in the past where the curtain has been pulled back.Another Poker Scandal Rocks Community
One of the most famous incidents involved Viktor Blom and Brain Hastings. In what became a highly-publicized online showdown, Hastings beat Blom out of more than $4 million.
Largest online poker site in the world. Allegations after the fact suggested the Hastings had help from fellow pros Brian Townsend and Cole South. While that may or may not have happened, the allegations marred what was, otherwise, an impressive display of poker.
High-stakes games are often a law unto themselves. Because the playerpool is small, those involved are often happy to agree certain dynamics that might not suit the community as a whole. However, the issue of ghosting is one that’s universally frowned on.
Cates acknowledges that what he did was not only wrong but a bad look for poker pros.Poker Ghosting Scandal News
“While I don’t think it’s fair that I’ve been singled out for something many were much more guilty of, I accept that as a role model for the poker community my punishment should be disproportionate compared to a normal player” Jungleman concluded.
The admission and apology may bring the matter to a close. However, there’s no doubt it will cast a shadow over Cates and, in turn, high-stakes games organized by poker’s elite.Related posts:Table Of Contents
GGPoker Ambassador Daniel Negreanu has made his personal views on VPNing perfectly clear in a recent podcast.
On the latest episode of The Orbit, a round-table discussion hosted by Cardplayer Lifestyle’s Robbie Strazynski, Negreanu stated that he ’didn’t give a crap’ where players were located, as long as they were who they said they were.The Orbit - Episode 4
Negreanu was joined on The Orbit by Run It Once Poker founder Phil Galfond, partypoker Partner Rob Yong and the former managing director of the Microgaming Poker Network (MPN) Alex Scott.
During the episode, the panel discussed the role of regulation in poker, and whether regulation is a barrier to how online poker should run.
Negreanu said that the obvious goal for online poker is for everyone to play against one another, but made some interesting comments about VPNing.What is a VPN?
A Virtual Private Network is a tool that enables you to mask your internet protocol (IP) address, giving you online privacy and anonymity.
Many people use this to watch shows on Netflix that they are unable to in their country, but more importantly for this conversation poker players can use this in order to conceal their location.
Poker sites have repeatedly stated that the use of a VPN is against their terms of service, with 2018 World Championship of Online Poker (WCOOP) champion ’wann2play’ was stripped of their title and $1.35 million in prize money due to ’multi-accounting/ghosting’ and use of a VPN.Negreanu’s Views
This isn’t the first time that Negreanu has spoken out on the ethics of using a VPN in order to play poker from a country where it is not allowed.
On this occasion, he referred back to his time as a PokerStars ambassador in his views on this topic, saying that he found it difficult to understand why PokerStars spent so much money and resources trying to catch people ’VPNing’, or playing from countries they’re not supposed to.
’I’ve said this [before],’ Negreanu went on. ’I personally don’t give a crap where you’re playing from as long as it’s you. It doesn’t bother me.’
’I personally don’t give a crap where you’re playing from as long as it’s you’
Negreanu posed a hypothetical where Senegal banned Apple products, and whether or not it would be up to Apple to police whether people were using an iPhone or an iPad in that country.
READ MORE:GGPoker Responds to Cheating Scandal
’I don’t think it makes a lot of sense for the companies to police in these cases when the rule is stupid in the first place. It doesn’t make sense to us to spend resources to enforce that [..] If that’s an issue in your country, then you police it.’
The poker Hall of Famer then clarified that it’s most poker companies’ policy that you’re not allowed to do ’any of that stuff,’ but reiterated his views on it.
’Do I think it makes sense personally to spend a lot of resources trying to catch these people? I don’t. I don’t have a problem with it.’What do the Sites Say About VPNs?
Here’s what the Terms & Conditions of the three major poker websites - GGPoker, partypoker and PokerStars - have to say about the use of a VPN:GGPoker
GGPoker are the only one to explicitly mention VPNs in their T&Cs. Under section 15 of GGPoker’s Security & Ecology Agreement it clearly states:
’GGPoker strictly prohibits users located in prohibited jurisdictions to use VPN/PROXY, remote desktops, or any alternative methods to mask their true location.
Should we determine that users are accessing GGPoker from prohibited countries, we may restrict their use of VPN/Proxy, or suspend the account and request Proof of Presence (“POP”).’partypoker
There is no explicit mention of the term ’VPN’ in the partypoker General Terms and Conditions. However, under section 2 it states:
’You may only use the Facilities if You are 18 years of age or over (or such other higher minimum legal age in Your jurisdiction) and it is legal for You to do so according to the laws that apply in Your jurisdiction.’Poker Ghosting Scandal Videos
In section 6 of the same document it goes on to state:
’We forbid the use of all unfair practices when using the Facilities.’Poker Ghosting Scandal PodcastPokerStars
There is no explicit mention of the term ’VPN’ in the PokerStars End User License Agreement. However, under section 5 it states:
’The Stars Group (TSG) prohibits persons located in (including temporary visitors) or residents of certain jurisdictions (including jurisdictions where persons are required to play according to the regulations in such jurisdiction, using the appropriately designated, licensed game client) from making deposits into their Stars Accounts or engage in Real Money Games.
’Any attempt to circumvent the restrictions on play by any persons located in a Prohibited Jurisdiction, is a breach of this Agreement. An attempt at circumvention includes, but is not limited to, manipulating the information used by TSG to identify your location and providing TSG with false or misleading information regarding your location or place of residence. Any such attempt will entitle us to take such steps as we deem appropriate including, without limitation, seizing the funds in your Stars Account.’
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*Poker Ghosting Scandal News
*Poker Ghosting Scandal Videos
*Poker Ghosting Scandal Podcast
Daniel Cates was accused by Dan Bilzerian last night of being the main pro involved in the Bill Perkins ghosting scandal - Jungleman in turn claiming that Dan Bilzerians assertion is misleading.
It’s often said there’s no smoke without fire and it seems Bill Perkins was onto something when he tweeted about a high-stakes poker scandal.
*The action was paused in the Daniel Negreanu vs. Doug Polk ‘Grudge Match’ under bizarre circumstances over the past 24 hours as Bill Perkins, who has a bet in place on the match’s outcome.
*A public outing by none other than Dan Bilzerian named Dan ‘Jungleman’ Cates as the pro who was ‘ghosting’ on a recreational player’s account. That plus all of the latest results from the biggest online poker series taking place including the Super High Roller Bowl Online Series, the PokerStars 2020 Spring Championship of Online.
*Cheating scandal in poker going on that would make the Mike Postle scandal look like a church service. Really hard to wrap my head around. I’m very disappointed in many people.
*Some are saying that a cheating scandal involving poker pro “Jungleman” Daniel Cates will make the Mike Postle cheating scandal ’look like a. Rampant with professionals who were ghosting.
Daniel Cates has responded to allegations that he cheated in an online poker game. (Image: Wikipedia/888poker Spain)
Perkins himself refused to name names until he’d finished his investigation but Dan Bilzerian wasn’t as restrained. With the community eager to know what had happened and who was involved, Bilzerian called out Daniel Cates.
Jungleman quickly hit back with a tweet and has since followed up with his version of events. Posted in a Google doc, the open letter is part admission, part apology, and part revelation about certain aspects of online poker.Undercover Actions Land Cates in Hot Water
The response was posted on May 27 and addresses the allegation that he cheated by using someone else’s account. At the heart of the matter is an account owned by “Sina Taleb.”
Although Perkins didn’t name Cates or Taleb in his original tweets, Bilzerian did. This forced Cates to defend his name.
“To be clear, I started playing with Sina (his last name is not Taleb, for the record) on May 8 and ultimately played very few sessions, none of which were against Dan Bilzerian as claimed,” Cates wrote.
With that point made, the American went on to explain how ghosting was “rampant” on the site. According to Cates, it was widely understood that pros were using other people’s account and that resulted in a “uniquely” high level of play.
“I thought, since many on the site were using pros to play for them at the time, it felt acceptable for me to be playing,” Cates continued.
That may be a revelation to the poker world at large, but the practice of ghosting isn’t new. Although it’s rarely made public, there have been times in the past where the curtain has been pulled back.Another Poker Scandal Rocks Community
One of the most famous incidents involved Viktor Blom and Brain Hastings. In what became a highly-publicized online showdown, Hastings beat Blom out of more than $4 million.
Largest online poker site in the world. Allegations after the fact suggested the Hastings had help from fellow pros Brian Townsend and Cole South. While that may or may not have happened, the allegations marred what was, otherwise, an impressive display of poker.
High-stakes games are often a law unto themselves. Because the playerpool is small, those involved are often happy to agree certain dynamics that might not suit the community as a whole. However, the issue of ghosting is one that’s universally frowned on.
Cates acknowledges that what he did was not only wrong but a bad look for poker pros.Poker Ghosting Scandal News
“While I don’t think it’s fair that I’ve been singled out for something many were much more guilty of, I accept that as a role model for the poker community my punishment should be disproportionate compared to a normal player” Jungleman concluded.
The admission and apology may bring the matter to a close. However, there’s no doubt it will cast a shadow over Cates and, in turn, high-stakes games organized by poker’s elite.Related posts:Table Of Contents
GGPoker Ambassador Daniel Negreanu has made his personal views on VPNing perfectly clear in a recent podcast.
On the latest episode of The Orbit, a round-table discussion hosted by Cardplayer Lifestyle’s Robbie Strazynski, Negreanu stated that he ’didn’t give a crap’ where players were located, as long as they were who they said they were.The Orbit - Episode 4
Negreanu was joined on The Orbit by Run It Once Poker founder Phil Galfond, partypoker Partner Rob Yong and the former managing director of the Microgaming Poker Network (MPN) Alex Scott.
During the episode, the panel discussed the role of regulation in poker, and whether regulation is a barrier to how online poker should run.
Negreanu said that the obvious goal for online poker is for everyone to play against one another, but made some interesting comments about VPNing.What is a VPN?
A Virtual Private Network is a tool that enables you to mask your internet protocol (IP) address, giving you online privacy and anonymity.
Many people use this to watch shows on Netflix that they are unable to in their country, but more importantly for this conversation poker players can use this in order to conceal their location.
Poker sites have repeatedly stated that the use of a VPN is against their terms of service, with 2018 World Championship of Online Poker (WCOOP) champion ’wann2play’ was stripped of their title and $1.35 million in prize money due to ’multi-accounting/ghosting’ and use of a VPN.Negreanu’s Views
This isn’t the first time that Negreanu has spoken out on the ethics of using a VPN in order to play poker from a country where it is not allowed.
On this occasion, he referred back to his time as a PokerStars ambassador in his views on this topic, saying that he found it difficult to understand why PokerStars spent so much money and resources trying to catch people ’VPNing’, or playing from countries they’re not supposed to.
’I’ve said this [before],’ Negreanu went on. ’I personally don’t give a crap where you’re playing from as long as it’s you. It doesn’t bother me.’
’I personally don’t give a crap where you’re playing from as long as it’s you’
Negreanu posed a hypothetical where Senegal banned Apple products, and whether or not it would be up to Apple to police whether people were using an iPhone or an iPad in that country.
READ MORE:GGPoker Responds to Cheating Scandal
’I don’t think it makes a lot of sense for the companies to police in these cases when the rule is stupid in the first place. It doesn’t make sense to us to spend resources to enforce that [..] If that’s an issue in your country, then you police it.’
The poker Hall of Famer then clarified that it’s most poker companies’ policy that you’re not allowed to do ’any of that stuff,’ but reiterated his views on it.
’Do I think it makes sense personally to spend a lot of resources trying to catch these people? I don’t. I don’t have a problem with it.’What do the Sites Say About VPNs?
Here’s what the Terms & Conditions of the three major poker websites - GGPoker, partypoker and PokerStars - have to say about the use of a VPN:GGPoker
GGPoker are the only one to explicitly mention VPNs in their T&Cs. Under section 15 of GGPoker’s Security & Ecology Agreement it clearly states:
’GGPoker strictly prohibits users located in prohibited jurisdictions to use VPN/PROXY, remote desktops, or any alternative methods to mask their true location.
Should we determine that users are accessing GGPoker from prohibited countries, we may restrict their use of VPN/Proxy, or suspend the account and request Proof of Presence (“POP”).’partypoker
There is no explicit mention of the term ’VPN’ in the partypoker General Terms and Conditions. However, under section 2 it states:
’You may only use the Facilities if You are 18 years of age or over (or such other higher minimum legal age in Your jurisdiction) and it is legal for You to do so according to the laws that apply in Your jurisdiction.’Poker Ghosting Scandal Videos
In section 6 of the same document it goes on to state:
’We forbid the use of all unfair practices when using the Facilities.’Poker Ghosting Scandal PodcastPokerStars
There is no explicit mention of the term ’VPN’ in the PokerStars End User License Agreement. However, under section 5 it states:
’The Stars Group (TSG) prohibits persons located in (including temporary visitors) or residents of certain jurisdictions (including jurisdictions where persons are required to play according to the regulations in such jurisdiction, using the appropriately designated, licensed game client) from making deposits into their Stars Accounts or engage in Real Money Games.
’Any attempt to circumvent the restrictions on play by any persons located in a Prohibited Jurisdiction, is a breach of this Agreement. An attempt at circumvention includes, but is not limited to, manipulating the information used by TSG to identify your location and providing TSG with false or misleading information regarding your location or place of residence. Any such attempt will entitle us to take such steps as we deem appropriate including, without limitation, seizing the funds in your Stars Account.’
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